Pack presents the Libya and Ukraine conflicts as ideal microcosms. He sees the rise of neo-populism throughout the democratic world as connected to this “enduring disorder.” Pack examines the current state of the world and American policy towards key geostrategic hotspots framed in light of his “Enduring Disorder” concept. Expanding on the discoveries of his core research on Libya, he will discuss how the West’s response to the Ukraine crisis highlights where today’s geopolitics seem to be headed, bringing into sharp focus the need for a Western-led, rules-based global order and institutions like NATO. He is joined in conversation with former NBC News correspondent George Lewis.